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  • Beemar
    04-01 10:04 PM
    Ok. I will open a thread titled "Who after Hu" and put a poll in it too.

    In case you are wondering who is Hu... (pun intended)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Jintao

    胡锦涛

    Happy now?

    Come on dude, don't be a 爛屄


    Some time back when I asked my chinese colleagues to join IV they commented that immigrationvoice.org is an "indian" immigration forum...

    No wonder they felt that way.





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  • ksrk
    09-15 02:47 AM
    Assuming 3k spillover from (EB1/EB4/EB5 to EB2) => EB2 will get 13K visa
    EB2 ROW uses 7K (700 India, 700 China, +5k others) - there are 6K visa to allocated by Dec 2009 and 12K by March 2010 which will be given to EB2-India.

    BEC LCA applicants in 2005 estimate (EB2 India) = 2000 => 4400
    PERM applicants in 2005 (7276 of this 40% are Indian and 60% from EB2 ) -> 1750 LCA
    1100 LCA => 3850 GC

    Total pending I-485 in 2005 (EB2 India) ~ 8000

    This would mean PD will cross 2005 in next 2 quarters. I have pesimetic estimates so it will not surprise me it the dates move more rapidly.

    ...a question, though, about how the spillover is assigned back to over-subscribed countries (India and China) - does that happen in the fourth quarter of the fiscal year (lately in the last month or two) or does it happen each quarter? Looks like your analysis assumes it happens each quarter...





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  • unitednations
    02-13 12:35 AM
    Keep in mind that only unused visas in eb1 and eb2 row filter down to eb3.

    Just about everybody from ROW is currently filing in eb2 and using up the visas and there is less to filter down to eb3.

    AC21 re-allocated visas every quarter if the total demand was less then the total visas available. This is not currently the situation. Therefore, the visas won't filter down to eb3 which went unused. This gives a chance for people from ROW to keep filing in eb1 and eb2. In the last quarter is when you will see the jump, if any because the unused visas will get allocated at that time.(keep in mind that BEC's are also releasing labors - as far as I know the april 2001 labors from california have not been approved yet; and there are a great number from that state).

    In the last year I know of at least three people and I imagine there are thousands more who did this:

    They enter on visitors visas. Their I-94 card may be valid for 90 days or 180 days. They have a pre-arrangement with a company or relative to find a company who will file perm labor in eb2; file 140 and 485 and then stay and get their greencard this way. Since perm labors get approved very fast and ROW people are filing in eb2 then they are taking up the quota. Main requirement of filing 485 is one has to be in valid non immigrant status. Anyone who enters USA in non immigrant status (h-1, h-4, L-1, F-1, F-2, B-1/B-2, etc.) and can get a perm labor approved in eb2 and they are from row will get their greencard in less then six months.





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  • hpandey
    06-14 12:40 PM
    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

    You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .

    For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.

    Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.

    I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.



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  • texanguy
    06-02 12:09 AM
    Guys...can somebody tell me why they are not counting on EB1 & EB2 row numbers for the last quarter of 2009? Historically, these were the numbers which were transferred to oversubscribed countries, because of which priority dates well pushed way ahead. What's different this time? Even if USCIS works with tremendous efficiency, they cant really use those numbers before the quarter starts.
    Nobody seems to notice this fact???





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  • bayarea07
    07-26 01:54 PM
    I have been to just one of their meetings in bay area and found it to be a bit childish and full of fake people, people trying hard to portray themselve to be your best friend when in reality they are not



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  • Macaca
    07-03 09:53 PM
    http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/02/ap3879453.html
    This is an Associated Press Article. They sell articles to lot of web based media like Washington Post, New York Times, San Francisco Chronicle, CNN, etc.

    The article was written yesterday and automatically appeared in all sites that subscribe to AP articles.





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  • Sunx_2004
    07-29 11:56 AM
    Here is my case, Company A filed Labor GC for me, Labor filed 04/2004, I-140 approved 06/07, I485 filed 07/07.
    Company A got aquired by company B in 11/07, Company B filed 3 year extension on H1B based on approved I-140 approved H1B.

    Now company B filed amendment to approved I 140- My questions-


    Is my I 140 still aproved or it will start all over?
    I am planning to change the company coming October, Can I change the company at this stage. Will it affect my AOS in adverse way.
    What
    I need to take care of if I want to switch the job.



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  • alisa
    06-28 07:41 PM
    There is nothing we can do.
    So relax.

    If your AOS is meant to be filed in July, then it will be filed in July.
    If not, then it won't. And things will be similar to the way things have been for such a long time.





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  • lazycis
    02-13 08:46 AM
    Does any one on this forum happen to know an approximate dollar amount that would cost for if we (IV team) is planning to proceed further with this class action law suite on USCIS?? the reason I am asking for is if we have known dollar amount/target amount in hand it makes it easy for all to start contributing towards this target amount and proceed further with law suite.

    I am sure someone on IV team would create a separate bucket for this specific class action law suite task and keep track of amount that's been collected...

    Yes, I totally support this class action suite and also willing to support as mush as I can financially....

    I think the good start is to consult with Rajiv Khanna. He has an experience in class-actions/federal litigation and will tell whether it is feasible to go this way. It will cost $600 (approximately). To file a class-action complaint will cost around $10k. The rest depends on the lenght of the proceedings, but my estimate is another 20-30k. Peanuts comparing to lobbying :) IV may not want to go this way, as Mark Bartosik once explained, it may hurt its other efforts. If that's the case, potential plaintiffs can work with lawyers directly.



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  • vdesi
    01-05 02:09 PM
    This is a good idea but it won't help the housing crisis or the economy. It may not be viewed as fair to change the quota simply for those with money to pay a "fee." However, buying a home can put a floor under the housing prices and support the economy.

    Premium processing is the word, taught by USCIS.





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  • unitednations
    02-13 12:35 AM
    Keep in mind that only unused visas in eb1 and eb2 row filter down to eb3.

    Just about everybody from ROW is currently filing in eb2 and using up the visas and there is less to filter down to eb3.

    AC21 re-allocated visas every quarter if the total demand was less then the total visas available. This is not currently the situation. Therefore, the visas won't filter down to eb3 which went unused. This gives a chance for people from ROW to keep filing in eb1 and eb2. In the last quarter is when you will see the jump, if any because the unused visas will get allocated at that time.(keep in mind that BEC's are also releasing labors - as far as I know the april 2001 labors from california have not been approved yet; and there are a great number from that state).

    In the last year I know of at least three people and I imagine there are thousands more who did this:

    They enter on visitors visas. Their I-94 card may be valid for 90 days or 180 days. They have a pre-arrangement with a company or relative to find a company who will file perm labor in eb2; file 140 and 485 and then stay and get their greencard this way. Since perm labors get approved very fast and ROW people are filing in eb2 then they are taking up the quota. Main requirement of filing 485 is one has to be in valid non immigrant status. Anyone who enters USA in non immigrant status (h-1, h-4, L-1, F-1, F-2, B-1/B-2, etc.) and can get a perm labor approved in eb2 and they are from row will get their greencard in less then six months.



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  • greyhair
    01-13 09:21 PM
    actaccord: I also want to see civilized discussion. But that is not possible with people like PlainSpeak/GCPerm. I know this person. He has always tried to create Eb2/Eb3 divide. The problem is not with language of some of the posts you referred as "uncivilized", the problem is that for every post there are hundreds of people silently reading each posts. Each post influences those silent readers. If unanswered snakes like GCPerm can cause a lot of damage.

    In an open anonymous forum you need to develop a thick skin. Person of every strip and belief can post anything. If you cannot handle this, it is better for you to resign from accessing any or all websites.For a period of time, I felt the same way as you did but it does not work that way. Stop this nonsense of political correctness when snakes like GCPerm spit venom to divide everyone.

    A forum is a combination of all sorts of ideas and expression. You may like some and you may not like some. If you or your friends find it so difficult to stand this expression, then please sit quietly in your home because you cannot join hands with anyone in this real and rough world. How long are we going to " try to gain confidence" of more members? How long? I do not want to gain confidence of anyone anymore. If I was to make a decision, I would say that I don't need those members who cannot stand a little bit of rough reality. I am not going to do anything to "gain confidence" of others. If you want to work then good for you. If you don't want to work on the issue affecting your family, then so be it. You are doing a favor to no one but yourself when you speak with your Congressman. So Good luck and Good bye. But don't preach civility to everyone if you cannot first respond to PlainSpeak. I hate this Eb2/Eb3 fight.




    at least one person could respond in more civilized and matured way. These kind of response will give good impression about a forum.

    Guys please keep your comments in more civilized way to keep/gain good public image of the forum.

    I do read most of the threads in this forum (whenever I feel free) i feel some of members who are donors/senior members feel they can get to fight (in abusive way) with any one on any thread no matter whether it spoils the image of forum or their response adds no value to the thread. These kind of attitude can be expected from new members as they may have wrong intentions (or to just vent their frustrations) to join in a forum. But people who are very senior and donors responding in uncivilized manner is not good for them as well as the forum.

    I don't see anything wrong PlainSpeak's suggestion but I can't comment on if her suggestion is workable or not. But we can just explain what is right or wrong instead of getting into fight mode.

    I would like to see some kind of administration control (removing the response, warning the members) on those threads with abusive/uncivilized response. I know it is tedious job but once we have senior/donors under civilized conversation controlling new members will be of easier as seniors/donors can report those unwanted conversations.

    It would be great place to share ideas (good, bad, right, wrong) if those uncivilized response is reduced. The lesser the uncivilized response more the people willing to join hands.

    I wanted to join hands but those uncivilized comments keeping me away from participating. I do have friends who joined after me referring felt the same, some even stopped visiting this forum after seeing uncivilized fightings.

    There are great people like amitjoey who convey the message in more civilized way (as far as I have seen) and help others (its not easy to post 1100+ posts....). I am new to this country and have very less experience and knowledge to share. But I hope one day I can guide/help some people like amitjoey.

    Reason for me to share my thought is amitjoey, otherwise I would have just gone through the thread and felt bad about this forum for uncivilized comments. I am not into any group yet (Eb2/3) as my comp is not going to sponsor gc as per new policy, so I don't belong to any group (or we can say group who's gc never filed). When I read PlainSpeak's comment I thought she was right and after reading amitjoey's comment I learned another view for this issue. After reading those two comments I understand the issue and why IV took different direction or direction different from PlainSpeak's. But when I continued reading this thread I felt why some educated people with good intentions have bad thoughts and respond to others in uncivilized way. In the whole thread only two comments make's sense to me rest doesn't belong/fit to this forum.

    Lets get more new members and be civilized to gain confident which will gain more strength to the forum.





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  • Pineapple
    12-14 02:27 PM
    Nope. UK and Pakistan would then join the club of India & China. ROW is an artificial construct. The reason USCIS posts priority dates for India, China, Mexico and Philippines separately is that applicants from these countries are typically, and especially over subscribed. ROW countries are just countries which are not typically over subscribed in the EB category.

    O.K. Forget for a moment about IN,China,MX and Philipines. Let me understand the "Quota" witihin "ROW"

    Example: Britain, Pakistan.

    Let's say next year tons of nationals of Britain Choose to apply under EB.
    Let's say total is more than 7% of Total 1,40,000 limit.

    Is that allowed?

    Same question for Pakistan...



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  • user1205
    02-12 02:55 PM
    I doubt it. I think we'll start seeing the results of that rule in the next couple of months and then it will maybe get retrogressed.

    Does this mean they have accounted for the people who will claer the name check hurdle after the recent memo? I was expecting EB2 ROW to retrogress based on that.





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  • unitednations
    02-13 03:34 PM
    I interpreted that as allowing a country to go over the overall 7% limit in the total EB categories.....Which conforms to what USCIS did in 2005....USCIS allowed much larger than 7% from India that year...and they were within law...( Of course that can be litigated against if someone raises an objection ......)

    So if my interpretation applies and after reform there are 290K total visas available then there is a decent chance of EB2/EB3 India China to at least come to 2005 PD levels if not current...


    If they changed the law to have 300,000 visas but there is 400,000 people going for greencard; then there would still be retrogression. The unused visas from ROW would not get allocated quarterly but in the fourth quarter.



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  • alisa
    06-28 08:58 PM
    There is difference... We didn't spend any money after June VB but everybody spent minimum $500 after July VB...

    If they don't accept application then USCIS made govt = 500* 100,00= $ 5000000.

    Its not about $500.
    USCIS and the US government can ask for more money. And we will happily give it to them.

    Its about the stability that filing for AOS offers.

    But keep in mind, you weren't able to file for AOS in June.
    So maybe, we won't be able to file for AOS in July either. But thats about it. Life will go on.


    So it would be best for us to stop torturing our brains.

    There is not much we can do about anything. USCIS can choose to reject ALL applications received in July. AILA will issue a freaking statement. We will shed a few tears and call USCIS names.





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  • eb3_nepa
    10-23 12:08 PM
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  • pitha
    09-24 12:39 PM
    EB2 India forward movement will happen if and only IF USCIS\DOS does Eb1-->eb2 Row-->Eb2 India \China visa spillover every quarter. There are 4050 pending eb1 485, assuming about 2000 more eb1 485 are added for the next 2 months ther will be 4000 Eb1 (10000-4050-2000) visas avialable for spillover in December 2009. If DOS does a spillover into Eb2 ROW then there would be forward movement for Eb2 India as there are only 7150 Eb2 ROW 485 pending and if 1000 more eb2 row are added for next 2 months EB2 India\china should get approximately 6000 visas [10000 -7150(pending eb2 485-1000(new eb2 485 for next 2 months) + 4000(spillover from Eb1)]. If they dont do spillover the above way then Eb2 india dates would most probably move back until August\Spetember 2010. Can we request DOS to do spilllover every quarter instead of every year because they know the demand from the USCIS report and lot of Eb2 India\ China 485 are pre adjudicated.





    rsdang
    07-29 05:29 PM
    Friend wants to get married to his GF who is here on an F1 visa
    He has had his GC for 2 years now

    Questions?
    - Can he get any paperwork for his spouse befor becoming a citizen?
    - What is the fastest route for him to get his GF the GC?

    Thanks
    Randeep





    manderson
    02-13 11:30 AM
    If I am not mistaken I believe Rajiv Khanna already filed such a lawsuit some years ago and lost.

    Which makes me agree with walking_dude. With the new NC>180 rule, we can get pretty good momentum by recapturing lost visas and if possible by also increasing country caps and a increase of EB visas from 2009 onwards.



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