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07-11 01:26 AM
IMMIGRATION VOICE ACTION ALERT: 7/11/2007.
Dear Members:
Immigration Voice is organizing its first peaceful protest rally in San Jose, CA on July 14th in order to protest the broken system of legal high-skills immigration. This protest march is being organized to oppose the enormous visas backlogs in the employment based immigration system. This protest march is also intended to oppose the recent decision of USCIS to block the adjustment of status petitions in July resulting from an unprecedented out-of-order reversal on the part of DOS and USCIS.
Please join this rally in huge numbers to create more awareness in the Media, Congress and the Administration. We are already getting attention of Congress and the Administration due to recently published articles on the flower campaign in New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/us/11visa.html) and Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/10/AR2007071002055.html) on July 11th. If you cannot join but if you know someone who lives in San Jose area and who doesn’t know about this effort, please ask him or her to join this rally. More numbers will get us more media coverage and more attention to this issue.
This rally has the potential to bring our issue to the attention of everyone, including the Silicon Valley tech employers who have a stake in the morale and productivity of the hi-tech foreign employees in their companies and their backlogged immigration.
EVENT:
Peaceful protest march by Legal Immigrants in San Jose, CA.
LOCATION:
The New City Hall
200 E Santa Clara St
San Jose, CA 95113
DATE:
Saturday July 14, 2007
TIME:
11:00 am To 2:30 pm
ORIGIN, DESTINATION, ROUTE & PARKING DETAILS:
11:00 AM: Meet at San Jose City Hall at 200 E Santa Clara St.
PARKING: (Free weekend parking in the 4th St. garage on 44 South Fourth St., & San Fernando St. across from the MLK Jr library; For other free parking areas in downtown San Jose see: http://www.sjdowntownparking.com/free_parking.php (http://www.sjdowntownparking.com/free_parking.php) )
1) 11:30 AM: Go to the square in front of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Library (150 E San Fernando St).
2) 12:30 PM: Walk towards 635 N 1st St through S 4th St, E San Carlos St, Market Street and N 1st Street.
3) 1:15 PM: Arrive at 635 N 1st St and stay till 2:00 PM
4) 2:30 PM: back to City Hall
IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER:
1) Abide by the laws.
2) Stay on sidewalks.
3) Follow traffic rules, show courtesy to other pedestrians.
4) Do not block building entrances.
5) Dress Professionally. No shorts or Bermudas. Wear formal dress clothes, semi-casual or business-casual.
WHAT TO BRING:
Plenty of water, snacks and sun block (if needed).
BANNERS AND SIGNS:
Do not bring your own signs. We will have banners and signs ready for you.
FOR DRIVING DIRECTIONS TO THE NEW CITY HALL IN SAN JOSE, SEE BELOW:
http://www.sanjoseca.gov/newCityHall/gettingThere.asp (http://www.sanjoseca.gov/newCityHall/gettingThere.asp)
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: Event leaders or organizers take no responsibility and will not be held responsible for any injuries or accidents that may occur during the posted events. It is your responsibility to abide by law. By joining this event, you are taking responsibility for your own safety and well-being.
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Regards,
Immigration Voice Core Team.
Dear Members:
Immigration Voice is organizing its first peaceful protest rally in San Jose, CA on July 14th in order to protest the broken system of legal high-skills immigration. This protest march is being organized to oppose the enormous visas backlogs in the employment based immigration system. This protest march is also intended to oppose the recent decision of USCIS to block the adjustment of status petitions in July resulting from an unprecedented out-of-order reversal on the part of DOS and USCIS.
Please join this rally in huge numbers to create more awareness in the Media, Congress and the Administration. We are already getting attention of Congress and the Administration due to recently published articles on the flower campaign in New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/us/11visa.html) and Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/10/AR2007071002055.html) on July 11th. If you cannot join but if you know someone who lives in San Jose area and who doesn’t know about this effort, please ask him or her to join this rally. More numbers will get us more media coverage and more attention to this issue.
This rally has the potential to bring our issue to the attention of everyone, including the Silicon Valley tech employers who have a stake in the morale and productivity of the hi-tech foreign employees in their companies and their backlogged immigration.
EVENT:
Peaceful protest march by Legal Immigrants in San Jose, CA.
LOCATION:
The New City Hall
200 E Santa Clara St
San Jose, CA 95113
DATE:
Saturday July 14, 2007
TIME:
11:00 am To 2:30 pm
ORIGIN, DESTINATION, ROUTE & PARKING DETAILS:
11:00 AM: Meet at San Jose City Hall at 200 E Santa Clara St.
PARKING: (Free weekend parking in the 4th St. garage on 44 South Fourth St., & San Fernando St. across from the MLK Jr library; For other free parking areas in downtown San Jose see: http://www.sjdowntownparking.com/free_parking.php (http://www.sjdowntownparking.com/free_parking.php) )
1) 11:30 AM: Go to the square in front of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Library (150 E San Fernando St).
2) 12:30 PM: Walk towards 635 N 1st St through S 4th St, E San Carlos St, Market Street and N 1st Street.
3) 1:15 PM: Arrive at 635 N 1st St and stay till 2:00 PM
4) 2:30 PM: back to City Hall
IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER:
1) Abide by the laws.
2) Stay on sidewalks.
3) Follow traffic rules, show courtesy to other pedestrians.
4) Do not block building entrances.
5) Dress Professionally. No shorts or Bermudas. Wear formal dress clothes, semi-casual or business-casual.
WHAT TO BRING:
Plenty of water, snacks and sun block (if needed).
BANNERS AND SIGNS:
Do not bring your own signs. We will have banners and signs ready for you.
FOR DRIVING DIRECTIONS TO THE NEW CITY HALL IN SAN JOSE, SEE BELOW:
http://www.sanjoseca.gov/newCityHall/gettingThere.asp (http://www.sanjoseca.gov/newCityHall/gettingThere.asp)
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: Event leaders or organizers take no responsibility and will not be held responsible for any injuries or accidents that may occur during the posted events. It is your responsibility to abide by law. By joining this event, you are taking responsibility for your own safety and well-being.
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Regards,
Immigration Voice Core Team.
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hopelessGC
04-15 01:39 PM
Is it correct to say only nebraska Service center is issuing the rfe because they are pre adjudicating while Texas service center is not issuing rfe because they are not pre adjudicating 485. A vast majority of people getting rfe on 485 (95% or more) are from nebraska Service center.
My application is pending with the Texas Service Center. It appears that TSC is also pre-adjudicating.
My application is pending with the Texas Service Center. It appears that TSC is also pre-adjudicating.
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07-14 09:31 PM
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sayantan76
08-22 03:43 PM
I like your response, really -- I think it's frank and hits upon what it means to be Indian at heart.
BUT, when one makes a decision to immigrate - he/she's not just making that decision for himself - but also for his/her spawns and the future generations to come. Is it fair for us to rob them of (well, i know most american born desi kids don't care a rats ass about going/being in India) - what it feels to be an Indian at Heart? what it 'Really' feels like to be watching/talking cricket/movies on 'em gullies, what it's like to be eating gaadi chaat, what a festival should really feel/look like .. and a bunch of other stuff- -that happens only in India.
not trying to discount anyone's opinions .. it's just the internal dilemma that needs addressing
all excellent points by Vikram and american desi!
I personally think that many of us take the issue of citizenship less seriously than it ought to be........also some of us also seem to confuse the National & Historical identity ( being a Citizen of India) and the Cultural identity (street food, cricket matches, Hindi movies etc.)
Re - the original post - i dont agree that becoming a US citizen is an achievement - a test of your patience and diligence in going through the onerous process - yes, achievement - no. getting a US citizenship in no way makes anyone a better human being or a more accomplished professional - so not an achievement.
in about 4 years or so - i would be at a decision point of whether to take US Citizenship or not......i dont think I am mentally ready to relinquish my Indian passport....to me it represents a 5,000 year old civilization with rich history and heritage and yet in many ways a young country poised to take the leap into its rightful place among the community of nations.....if it works out i would like to go back and be a part of that leap but even if i am here..when that happens - i would want to be able to proudly wear my Indian identity (and if I am a US citizen and still try to wear the Indian national identity - it would make me a hypocrite!).......
Some food for thought - Laxmi Mittal and Amartya Sen carry Indian Passports!
PS: I am willing to concede that i may be singing a different tune in 4 years
BUT, when one makes a decision to immigrate - he/she's not just making that decision for himself - but also for his/her spawns and the future generations to come. Is it fair for us to rob them of (well, i know most american born desi kids don't care a rats ass about going/being in India) - what it feels to be an Indian at Heart? what it 'Really' feels like to be watching/talking cricket/movies on 'em gullies, what it's like to be eating gaadi chaat, what a festival should really feel/look like .. and a bunch of other stuff- -that happens only in India.
not trying to discount anyone's opinions .. it's just the internal dilemma that needs addressing
all excellent points by Vikram and american desi!
I personally think that many of us take the issue of citizenship less seriously than it ought to be........also some of us also seem to confuse the National & Historical identity ( being a Citizen of India) and the Cultural identity (street food, cricket matches, Hindi movies etc.)
Re - the original post - i dont agree that becoming a US citizen is an achievement - a test of your patience and diligence in going through the onerous process - yes, achievement - no. getting a US citizenship in no way makes anyone a better human being or a more accomplished professional - so not an achievement.
in about 4 years or so - i would be at a decision point of whether to take US Citizenship or not......i dont think I am mentally ready to relinquish my Indian passport....to me it represents a 5,000 year old civilization with rich history and heritage and yet in many ways a young country poised to take the leap into its rightful place among the community of nations.....if it works out i would like to go back and be a part of that leap but even if i am here..when that happens - i would want to be able to proudly wear my Indian identity (and if I am a US citizen and still try to wear the Indian national identity - it would make me a hypocrite!).......
Some food for thought - Laxmi Mittal and Amartya Sen carry Indian Passports!
PS: I am willing to concede that i may be singing a different tune in 4 years
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ita
08-25 03:18 PM
Second the idea of using an ATM card for this purpose. You can get an ATM card for your parents or relatives in India from your local credit union or bank in the US.
How does this ATM thing work? Do you give your family in India your own ATM card/PIN or do you request the credit union to issue ATM cards for your family.
I just checked with the credit union I have account with and they said, to issue ATM cards to anyone else they (the person) should have SSN# and they should be made joint account holders. This is not possible when you are planning to give the ATM cards to people in India right?
Thank you.
How does this ATM thing work? Do you give your family in India your own ATM card/PIN or do you request the credit union to issue ATM cards for your family.
I just checked with the credit union I have account with and they said, to issue ATM cards to anyone else they (the person) should have SSN# and they should be made joint account holders. This is not possible when you are planning to give the ATM cards to people in India right?
Thank you.
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03-22 03:10 PM
I had posted the same thing for your question on immigration portal too.
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Hi Prasad,
Can you respond to my PM or can you give your email id so that I can contact you?
Thanks
My personal experience, united nations in immigration portal is your best choice.
He deals with such cases on a regular basis and has helped me too.
If you want to talk about my experience, please send me a private email.
Hi Prasad,
Can you respond to my PM or can you give your email id so that I can contact you?
Thanks
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rb_248
03-14 09:57 AM
D. INDIA EMPLOYMENT SECOND PREFERENCE VISA AVAILABILITY
Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides that if total demand will be insufficient to use all available numbers in a particular Employment preference category in a calendar quarter, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual �per-country� limit. It has been determined that based on the current level of demand being received, primarily by Citizenship and Immigration Services Offices, there would be otherwise unused numbers in the Employment Second preference category. As a result, numbers have once again become available to the India Employment Second preference category. The rate of number use in the Employment Second preference category will continue to be monitored, and it may be necessary to make adjustments should the level of demand increase substantially.
May be EB2 India and China can see some movement in July VB published in June.
Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides that if total demand will be insufficient to use all available numbers in a particular Employment preference category in a calendar quarter, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual �per-country� limit. It has been determined that based on the current level of demand being received, primarily by Citizenship and Immigration Services Offices, there would be otherwise unused numbers in the Employment Second preference category. As a result, numbers have once again become available to the India Employment Second preference category. The rate of number use in the Employment Second preference category will continue to be monitored, and it may be necessary to make adjustments should the level of demand increase substantially.
May be EB2 India and China can see some movement in July VB published in June.
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drona
07-12 01:54 PM
Just tried sending you a PM but it says you have exceeded your stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until you clear some space. Perhaps you could activate the ability for members to send you an email?
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gc_on_demand
06-13 10:04 AM
Guys
Don't fight for Eb2 vs Eb3 or Eb2 vs Eb1 etc. If we focus on these 3 bills then it will solve all our problems.
(1) STEM bill remove all MS + Phd people so Eb2 will be half empty and Eb1 will be 80 % empty.
(2) Re capture will bring new visas where they will go certaily to Eb3. ( Eb1 and Eb2 do not need visa if passes STEM bill )
(3) No Country cap limit. Will clean Huge line of Eb3 india, China , Phili..
Lets focus on 3 bills. We donot have time. Every one make a call to lawmakers. PLEASE.
Don't fight for Eb2 vs Eb3 or Eb2 vs Eb1 etc. If we focus on these 3 bills then it will solve all our problems.
(1) STEM bill remove all MS + Phd people so Eb2 will be half empty and Eb1 will be 80 % empty.
(2) Re capture will bring new visas where they will go certaily to Eb3. ( Eb1 and Eb2 do not need visa if passes STEM bill )
(3) No Country cap limit. Will clean Huge line of Eb3 india, China , Phili..
Lets focus on 3 bills. We donot have time. Every one make a call to lawmakers. PLEASE.
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chetanjumani
03-14 01:16 AM
Ok. I agree with everything you say but you still haven't explained why EB-2 China hasn't moved. They never were Unavailable, which means they haven't used their quota but are still retrogressed. Why absolutely no relief for them? Not even a month forward movement?
To be honest, I have no way to know why absolutely no change for China. There have been times earlier where India and China had similar cut out dates, then they changed dramatically, then India became unavailable, and now they are same again. With so much happening, I would say its very difficuilt to have a logical reason with no real data.
All I can come up is that perhaps China might had a little higher demand than India in the last few months, or just that in case of spill overs, most visas might be consumed by countries most retrogressed, or perhaps DHS believes that the number of visas spill over would be only enough to cover EB2 Inida + EB2 china up to a certain date and China was already at that date, so if the demand is less than expected, then we will see movement in both India and China.
Wish best for all Employment based filers. Hopefully some law change comes and justice is done to every one.
I would hate to see different immigrant groups worrying about which group is getting ahead.
Keep contributing to IV effort and hope no one need to go through extended wait times..........
To be honest, I have no way to know why absolutely no change for China. There have been times earlier where India and China had similar cut out dates, then they changed dramatically, then India became unavailable, and now they are same again. With so much happening, I would say its very difficuilt to have a logical reason with no real data.
All I can come up is that perhaps China might had a little higher demand than India in the last few months, or just that in case of spill overs, most visas might be consumed by countries most retrogressed, or perhaps DHS believes that the number of visas spill over would be only enough to cover EB2 Inida + EB2 china up to a certain date and China was already at that date, so if the demand is less than expected, then we will see movement in both India and China.
Wish best for all Employment based filers. Hopefully some law change comes and justice is done to every one.
I would hate to see different immigrant groups worrying about which group is getting ahead.
Keep contributing to IV effort and hope no one need to go through extended wait times..........
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pmb76
07-17 09:55 PM
Thanks all. I read the petition and I think it is great work. Yes, we need to send messages like this as a group.
Allow me to quote from the petition:
"It is required by law to pay an H1-B a minimum of $40000. "
I'm not challenging anything here, but can someone please point to the source of this? Is this Federal?
Again, I'm not challenging this. I just would appreciate some pointers so that I can learn more.
Thanks again.
http://www.techlawjournal.com/cong106/h1b/hr4227ih.htm
Please read section 201
"(ii) is offering and will offer during the period of authorized employment to H-1B nonimmigrants wages that are at least equal to an annual salary of $40,000 (including cash bonuses and similar compensation), except if the employer is an institution of higher education (as defined in section 101(a) of the Higher Education Act of 1965) or a related or affiliated nonprofit entity, a nonprofit research organization, or a governmental research organization, and".
Allow me to quote from the petition:
"It is required by law to pay an H1-B a minimum of $40000. "
I'm not challenging anything here, but can someone please point to the source of this? Is this Federal?
Again, I'm not challenging this. I just would appreciate some pointers so that I can learn more.
Thanks again.
http://www.techlawjournal.com/cong106/h1b/hr4227ih.htm
Please read section 201
"(ii) is offering and will offer during the period of authorized employment to H-1B nonimmigrants wages that are at least equal to an annual salary of $40,000 (including cash bonuses and similar compensation), except if the employer is an institution of higher education (as defined in section 101(a) of the Higher Education Act of 1965) or a related or affiliated nonprofit entity, a nonprofit research organization, or a governmental research organization, and".
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01-31 02:02 PM
i had 25 of my friends voted for it and now its on number 3 and 11 respectively.
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caliguy
09-18 02:08 PM
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Do you know if they have a record of everytime we talk to the CSRs?
I have only been able to talk to an IO once, and I feel they definitely have more info than these CSRs who are sitting there like bots. To get to the IO, I basically had to tell them that I have not opened a SR so far (which was not true).
When I tried calling yesterday, I told the CSR, that my attorney opened a SR on 1st September and if she could kindly transfer my call to a IO. She said she will not be able to transfer my call, as I had already opened a SR. When I told her that I already got a response for the SR, so I now need to open another SR, she said she cannot as it asked me to wait for 60 days. I requested her a couple times to please transfer me to a IO, she said, Sorry, cannot do it as you have already opened a SR.
I am planning to call them next week again, will tell them I have not opened a SR yet. Atleast, I will then get to talk to a IO.....!!
Do you know if they have a record of everytime we talk to the CSRs?
I have only been able to talk to an IO once, and I feel they definitely have more info than these CSRs who are sitting there like bots. To get to the IO, I basically had to tell them that I have not opened a SR so far (which was not true).
When I tried calling yesterday, I told the CSR, that my attorney opened a SR on 1st September and if she could kindly transfer my call to a IO. She said she will not be able to transfer my call, as I had already opened a SR. When I told her that I already got a response for the SR, so I now need to open another SR, she said she cannot as it asked me to wait for 60 days. I requested her a couple times to please transfer me to a IO, she said, Sorry, cannot do it as you have already opened a SR.
I am planning to call them next week again, will tell them I have not opened a SR yet. Atleast, I will then get to talk to a IO.....!!
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misanthrope
10-03 03:40 PM
If you have health insurance (which I doubt) go to some doc. and get some life injected. That will certainly help you in your current situation and you may be able to jump to EB1.:D
May God Bless You.
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May God Bless You.
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ChainReaction
04-18 09:40 AM
I had contributed $100 in the past and just made my third contribution of $50 and will contribute more...people every drop in the bucket counts and we are IV there is no other organization which is fighting for our cause. So contribute generously
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rimzhim
01-31 11:01 AM
desi companies sell H1b also , u pay money and they will get it for u , see sulekha.com for example .
no wonder ieee-usa complains about the present h1b program.
no wonder ieee-usa complains about the present h1b program.
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Refugee_New
08-04 11:44 AM
I posted this msg on saturday and looking for some response from members.
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Hello guys please let me know if i am eligible for filing WoM.
My case details are:
EB2, PD 02/12/2002.
I-485 RD: 06/06/2007 and ND: 06/15/2007
I have converted my EB3 PD to EB2. Last month i applied for EAD renewal thinking that it might trigger my GC approval(some people still believe in this)
Today i received my EAD with 2 yrs extension. I consider this as a bad sign because USCIS clearly states that if the visa is unavailable then they will issue 2 yr EAD.
In my case my PD has been current since i filed 485 except two months in this year when EB2 was U.
I have opened 3SRs(on march, april, june 08), went for infopass once, written letters to 3 senators and 2 representatives on july 7th, 2008, sent fax to NSC, also sent letters to NSC and NSC director twice, called NSC several times. I could not get any status update other than the regular response(case is pending and waiting to be assigned)
After taking all these efforts i recently received response for one of the SRs(for june 08) stating these type of cases taking time for approval and i need to wait patiently.
I dont know if i can wait anymore because i have been waiting for close to 7 yrs.
Now in this situation can you guys please let me know what i should do and what should be my next move?
Do you guys think i am eligible to file WoM? if yes please guide me on how to do it.
Thank you so much guys. Looking for some help.
Thanks
Hello guys please let me know if i am eligible for filing WoM.
My case details are:
EB2, PD 02/12/2002.
I-485 RD: 06/06/2007 and ND: 06/15/2007
I have converted my EB3 PD to EB2. Last month i applied for EAD renewal thinking that it might trigger my GC approval(some people still believe in this)
Today i received my EAD with 2 yrs extension. I consider this as a bad sign because USCIS clearly states that if the visa is unavailable then they will issue 2 yr EAD.
In my case my PD has been current since i filed 485 except two months in this year when EB2 was U.
I have opened 3SRs(on march, april, june 08), went for infopass once, written letters to 3 senators and 2 representatives on july 7th, 2008, sent fax to NSC, also sent letters to NSC and NSC director twice, called NSC several times. I could not get any status update other than the regular response(case is pending and waiting to be assigned)
After taking all these efforts i recently received response for one of the SRs(for june 08) stating these type of cases taking time for approval and i need to wait patiently.
I dont know if i can wait anymore because i have been waiting for close to 7 yrs.
Now in this situation can you guys please let me know what i should do and what should be my next move?
Do you guys think i am eligible to file WoM? if yes please guide me on how to do it.
Thank you so much guys. Looking for some help.
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01-15 01:06 PM
Correct Link:
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willwin
08-12 02:16 PM
My guess is that it will move a bit more faster than last year. Note that Apr 22 was the hump day (been dealing that that day right through labor certification phase), after that, the movement was steady. The Nov1 showing up twice is due to exhaustion of the numbers. I am expecting a steady march going forward.
How will it march steadily when we have less than 3000 numbers for the year?
I am sure we have many pplicants with PD in 2002 and 2003. I would be surprised if PD moves beyond April 2002 in FY 2009.
Assuming no other miracle happens!
How will it march steadily when we have less than 3000 numbers for the year?
I am sure we have many pplicants with PD in 2002 and 2003. I would be surprised if PD moves beyond April 2002 in FY 2009.
Assuming no other miracle happens!
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